I would be totally fine with an evaluation, but it sounds like a lengthy- expensive- and rather rigorous test that offers no gurentee to a medical. Before submitting your application, you will be required to review the penalties above, certify that you know the FAA will be scrutinizing your medical history, and authorize the National Driver Register to provide the FAA with a copy of your driving record. Really? That would shut them down for good. most reputable and up-to-date sources, which are also cited in the text. Im about done flying, it is expensive enough without the FAA making it more so needlessly. Never happens! It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. maybe for some people want or need to lie, I jus cant do that..ur only foolin urself..I wud feel better knowin Im ok,,by bein checked..by doc,least bp anyway..if I dont feel good to drive then I wouldnt feel good to fly either..i know first hand,retired truck driver,been there done that,also their silent killers.pays to be checked by ur own doc..have idea where u stand medically.. get off fried foods n dont smoke is a BIG HELP..when I dont lie I feel better bout it too. Anyway I am long through flying now. Im another one that was originally honest and regrets it. That cost me about six months of flying. Type II diabetes, coronary artery stents, history of myocardial infarction (heart attack), various cancers, and several other diseases are disqualifying, but Special Issuance can be obtained by doing the hoop jumping that the FAA requires, such as providing a statement from your treating physician, listing the medications that you take, do you have any side effects from the medications, do the medications actually work. You can ask the Civil Aerospace Medical Institute for statistics on fatalities in which medical conditions were either the direct cause or a contributing factor. I started flying and was completely awe-stricken. Most of us fly for recreation and a burning fire within to fly, and the Sport program can be just the ticket. Anyone could take the drug and get behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler, a Cat D-11, a speedboat, you get the idea. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. N.C., one does not have the right to lie to the feds investigating an illegal act. I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. About a week before I was suppose to be soloed I went for my medical and was told by my AME that I cant fly because I take adderal. Dental visits and visits to your AME need not be listed. With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. I had to get TWO EKGs to satisfy FAA medical! I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. Again, Im not arguing against the need for medical certification, but the process needs some serious streamlining. If you have ever been denied a medical, you still cannot go in and just use your drivers license. :-) However, since I do really like flying, it does make one avoid looking too hard for problems. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. The AME Guide explains that the question pertains to unexplained unconsciousness. It is a scam, a make-work project for administrators, and btw, doctors who make a practice of the bulk of business, which is 3rd class. astronaut training. The application states once hired you must obtain a class 2 medical cert Wreck an 18 wheeler and how much property could you damage and how many people could be injured on a busy interstate? Well, I believe we should have to have a medical to operate a car, a motorcycle, a truck, a bus, a train or any type of machine that is exposed to or involved in transportation. Have you ever been dizzy etc. How is that fair? Since my late 30s, I have taken meds to control my blood pressure. Have you EVER been dizzy? My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. In my case I have never lied, but if Im at risk of loosing my license for a medical condition that is under control I might do that also. Any law or rule, which is widely viewed by those subject to its enforcement as being unfair, unjust, capricious and arbitrary, because it has no basis in fact, will be disrespected and thus unenforceable. Im not dumb enough to eat a big meal then jump right into a plane for the flight back unless it is one with a toilet and someone else is flying! In everyones childhood years a lot of people are diagnosed with child Asthma so come on people who is the one really lying here YOU ARE. Re test. Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. I am working with a private party who specializes in this sort of thing and he cant really give me definitive answers either; just educated opinion and guidance. Look at that, all 4 of them had a diagnosis from the VA. More than anything, this should be pressing the FAA to adjust how they look at mental illness and flying. I need some advice from experienced pilots / medical professionals about a problem. I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. On the other hand, the 3rd class questionnaire seems more like screening for Does anyone really believe that this is also not true for pilots and in fact is probably much higher, given the hard working conditions. You may think you told the truth but you absolutely did not. Me- private pilot ASEL, Airplane Instrument, flying since 1986. He had diabetes. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. You never know what will happen to a pilot in flight with his medical conditions. its the government way. If the FAA knew the real medical condition of most pilots, they would loose thier certificates too. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. The questionaire is so impossible to answer honestly because it uses the word ever. Its funny that this question even comes up. I was diagnosed with PTSD from my service in the infantry Vietnam in 1968/1969 and have received counseling for it. One comment referenced the fact that we dont have to have a medical to operate a car or any other type of transportation vehicle. I am not an AME but am a flying physician with long experience chairing and serving on the EAA Aeromedical Council. One correction that I expect an AME to know if you have a condition that you KNOW will result in a medical denial, youre not qualified to fly sport. I agree the sport licensse should include at least up to a 152, super cub and all two seat trainers. Pedestrian deaths 5300 In short, the FAA doesnt check medical records unless they have a reason to i.e. . whether, in their life, have they been diagnosed with, had, or presently have a history of ADHD. This exemption is exactly what I need to keep flying, and I am sure there are many others like me. I disclosed everything on my original medical as a student pilot. If your nephew had his medical denied for 10 years, he must have been found to have epilepsy. The 1320 pound (600 Kg) limit is based on the European standard, I think. On the part of most pilots here its not lying. I sympathize with you. Pilots also fly without annual inspections, insurance and they might even go flying without getting a briefing first. Sure BUT would that condition really effect his flying? The FAA medical certification process has at times made me feel that I was in actual hell. I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. I am a nurse and I see it all of the time. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. How does the FAA find out what medications you are on? I used to go up about twice a week; now I havent flown since August. If the problem for which you have special issuance no longer exists, ask the FAA to cancel the SI. So do we really want 10+% of our commercial pilots to be flying with untreated major depressive disorders? Some pilots are terrified of the FAA's power to revoke their flying privileges and, accordingly, bend or ignore the rules. People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! FAA Current Detailed Clinical Progress Notes. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? At medical renewal you give a different date for same previously reported event. They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. There are about 450-500 fatalities per year in all of GA. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! Also, if I lose my medical, Id save a ton of money on flying and could retire a good 10-15 years earlier! And even if you assume not, an investigation will cause a demand to produce documents and then the liar is cooked. He proceeded to read off the list and after a half dozen items to which I responded No, he said You wouldnt tell me if you had any of these, would you? '[T]here is probably some justification for that,' he acknowledged in a 1998 interview, noting that the FAA is 'extremely conservative' when it comes to medical matters. Just waht we need more busybodys like you who cant mind their own business. Such a persons private physician(s) might not think so, but those physician(s) have no say in the matter. The FAA issues updates to the AME Guide on a monthly basis. The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. Duuuuuuuuuh do fat babies fart? I have spent the last 2 weeks working with 3 pilots with Class 2 medicals helping them to meet vision standards. Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. good for 2 years. You want to be an ATP, you have two pilots. Help is only a phone call away! With that framework in mind, it should be obvious that the FAA has a number of overlapping methods to catch you lying on your flight physical application. Some records reviewer in OKC can not guarantee those in my aircraft a safe journey only I can do that. An exam for a third class medical certificate with a student pilot certificate can cost between $75 and $150. It may be that some of you folks are not involved as subcontractors to the Airframe manufacturers. No faxes or emails are allowed. Im sorry to hear that. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. See my other comment about getting a SODA. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. I am hoping that they do the right thing when it comes to my health assessment. (No misprint.) This is why sometimes it becomes necessary to avoid telling the attending physician more than is necessary least the physician spin the whole condition in different light by making a mountain out of a mole hill, thereby destroying the flying career of the pilot for something that even the physician himself or herself is not sure about. Fly with a friend and share expenses, help a youngster learn to fly and let them fly you around in your plane. Those are hard to fake. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. This is truly a Great Debate. Someday you might actually have a problem you cannot hide. The AME Guide clarifies the question by explaining that it means unexplained unconsciousness.. In the end, it all worked out, but I was frustrated about having to locate records from retired doctors across the country-all because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind. I have all kinds of things happen to me and I can not possibly put them all down or even remember them. I hope you realize a world that had perfect safety would be one not worth living in. Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. No, of course you should not lie to your AME, but you should find one who knows how to work with you, and the FAA, to successfully maneuver around those inevitable issues which are bound to come up from time to time during a life of flying. instead of just listening to the engine, watch the instruments that monitored the engine. I always had to do a stress test, but starting 2 years ago, that has been expanded to require radionuclide scintigraphy every other year. Instead, they send a letter asking for more information from you and your doctors. Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? My AME is like a brother to me and a damn good doc to boot Lamentably, if I have something which could be a liability to me on my next medical, I can not ask my AME/best friend about my problem, and discuss it with him. Is the medical for safety or for what other purpose? MEDICAL CATEGORY 3: This category applies to the issue or revalidation of Student Pilot Permit, Helicopters, Gyroplane, Balloon, Pilot Permit, Gyroplane, Private Pilot Licence Aeroplane, Helicopter Pilot Licence, Flight Instructor Rating, Glider, Ultra-light Aeroplanes. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. Then we really would have a pilot shortage, now wouldnt we. frankly I aint go no reason to lie,,,but anybody else wants to up to them,ur lic at stake..jus hope u dont endanger anybody else..if its serious..ur life at stake alsow/everybody else below youso happy flying w/clear consciousRex. Everyone should say they have been dizzy. How long is a 2nd class medical good for over 40? Google "Operation Safe Pilot." In a blatant violation of the privacy act of 1974 as amended, the FAA, DOT Inspector General, and SSA Inspector General, conducted an illegal database match looking for common personally identifying information (names and/or social security numbers) in the FAA medical certificate database and the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases of 45,000 Northern . Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. This is very disturbing to say the least, why bother imposing rules, laws or the like if there is no punishment implemented??? If its temporary, shaddup about it. As a pilot since 1953, and now a retired vascular surgeon who still flies, I have wondered for years if there is any evidence that pilot physical exams save lives. The most recent was a year and a half ago. I have to do the same stuff to go ice diving. If you you diagnosed with some sort of Learning Disability like ADD,ADHD,OCD,LD it doesnt make a difference. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue, why do we have medicals in the first place? https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/SAFE_PILOT_Testimony_july17.pdf. I had a single bypass in 1981 and have been operating on a special issuance since. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. It doesnt work like that in mental health cases, and probably never will. Good Luck. The fibbing about a little issue. We know that the incidence of major depression in the general population is 10%. Required fields are marked *. Because they can longer fly. Deaply sorry it was a dumb statement. I agree that the FAA has an interest in regulating commercial pilots but anyone else should have to produce a drivers license. Consider the following tabulations on the number of deaths per year in various activities: Motorcycle deaths 4500 Telling the truth has cost me nearly 2 years of no flying due only to a late reply by my doctor and now I am walking away from my favorite form of relaxation, anyone want to buy my plane? Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. Well maybe a little? If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical, contact us to find out the best way to prepare. Why would I want to go through the unbelievable hassle of explaining myself to a bunch of know-nothing bureaucrats and internal medicine doctors who dont know their ass from their elbow about depression beyond some laughably simplistic characterization of the disorder in a diagnostics manual? It explains a lot of stuff that seems ridiculous, like have you ever been unconscious. Brian is absolutely right. Ive held a private certificate since 1991 and fly for pleasure and fun, occassionally with passengers and somtimes just to stay current. In other words, your health is in your hands. From the details they ask about, you would think you were applying to be an astronaut. And two complete submittals of blood tests. Thus, agencies such as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Federal Bureau of Identification (FBI), for example, will most likely still be able to see your expunged records. Telling the truth in MedXPress is clearly the right thing to do, but that is not what this article is about. If you have vision with only one eye, you can get a Statement of Demonstrated Ability (SODA) by taking a Medical Flight Test. I cheeted on a eye test flowen with out a incedent. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. Also, if you are too young for that, they can check other insurance companies and, apparently, a company, McKesson I believe, that gathers and compiles statistical data from and for insurance companies. - I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. It is so easy for those not flying professionally to prescribe stricter rules for those that do. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. R: Sleep Apnea. Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. lie if you want, hell find out. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. When I joined the military, it popped up at MEPs and I had to complete a waiver but I was allowed to go to boot camp. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. Think about what the FAA is likely to be interested in: Onset of chronic disease, like high blood pressure or type II diabetes. When learning to fly originally I was not even made aware this nor the NPPL was available. Theyll wait until a couple of major airline pilots go postal or have a seizure over the threshold and get the front page bold type, then overreact totally inappropriately, and far too late. However, the overriding principle here is that if you intentionally falsify your medical and are discovered, then you are done permanently. AOPA and FAA have not really been a lot of help. There are folks flying with diabetes that are on insulin. How come the standards are so different now? I lost my younger years flying and now the hoopes I have to jump through is unbeleveable.I really love flying but the government can take the privelage away its not right. No, get a different one. If you decide to undergo a physical despite questionable health, first gather all medical documents, such as a letter from your family doctor stating that a condition has been treated and resolved, and present them to the AME. There are two schools of thought on this issue: 'If you wanna fly, you gotta lie' versus 'honesty is always the best policy.' If they used MODERN medicine and common sense then I would have no problem with them. I know this Pilot who has type 1 Diabetes which requires insulin injections daily, drinks alcohol every night, takes an antidepressant, and every afternoon gets the shakes. NONE . What are the chances you will get caught? If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. That means, 1) applying for brand new medical, 2) taking the written exam (s) over; and 3) taking the check ride (s) again. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. You have to be careful what you ask for. First, if youve not taken a disqualifying medication for greater than 90 days, you can potentially argue to the FAA that your underlying diagnosis was not accurate to begin with. I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. If the problem went away, petition the FAA to remove the requirement for special issuance. Responding to a letter from the FAA about your medical certificate almost always requires you to provide detailed notes from your treating physician(s) and other objective evidence to show you are safe to fly. However, my pilots do. On checking this I was advised the costs would be in the region of 600+. This is one of those typical government deny-theres-a-problem attitudes that eventually comes to a head when something major and catastrophic happens. He passed his 3rd class every time. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. Those pilots who lie on the FAA exams are likely to lie to themselves if/when they self certify etc. Its a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. Both have risks. Thats a great question, Ben. Pilot organizations offer free advice to members, commercial outfits offer advice and assistance for a fee and printed resources are available. Logic dictates that if the medical requirement did not exist, the number of incapacitations would be somewhat higher. I understand why a lot of this stuff, like the sport pilot initiative, takes so long and always falls short, but cmon, this one is easy and its gonna bite them in the ass. While not endorsing that, it is understandable at the emotional level. The FAA as a whole believes all people should fly if they desire. see you in the cockpit!! 11-06-2013, 09:45 AM #7 ackattacker. 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