And you have to bear in mind that at this point, it only had one hand left. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: You know, you've got all these chemicals around. SAM KEAN: He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. JAD: Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. We all know this, that there are cycles of abuse or whatever. Just a little. Covid has disrupted the most basic routines of our days and nights. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Methyl groups are pretty sticky, they're hard to get off. His example with humans was a blacksmith. So he's got to live his life as a toad with all this baggage on him? CARL ZIMMER: You're now hearing Lamarck's name invoked these days because there are things beyond genes that we pass down to our children. But with the midwife toad, the female Lays her eggs on land and then the male midwife toad comes along And actually kind of sticks them to his back legs, like a bunch of whitish grapes, and then hops around with them basically until they hatch. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: [laughs[ Exactly. JAD: Turning down a job that they'd offered him. MICHAEL MEANEY: So thats the reason, of course, that we work with rats because we can get inside the brain. That, in a sort of ass backward way was Michael's question. Were just talking about toad, I thought. With a child, they give you a whole folder full of information, tells you all about them. Okay. And he was going through withdrawal. JAD: Look, in the end, what do I know? You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. ROBERT: Because it's got the thing stuck to it? LYNN PALTROW: I'm Executive Director and Founder of National Advocates for Pregnant Women. Riksarkivet. Its gonna get messy. [chuckles], Yes, yes. This is nice and quiet. All jokes aside. Suddenly you're marked. BARBARA HARRIS: Saying the mother had given birth to a baby girl, did we want her? Are you nine? In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member ofThe Labtoday. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. What can't you? What a name, you've got to like this guy. I had a little basketball for her. PAT: So by now it's 1994, and Barbara is thinking PAT: You know? You're finishing college, right? What exactly happens between 9 to 12 that makes this big difference? Watching this, I couldn't help but think that Destiny's very existence is probably the most interesting argument against what Barbara is doing. We talked to her for a little while and PAT: At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. Well, the DNA, the RNA, micro-RNAs, histone. That was it. Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. JAD: Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. Yeah, there you go. Radiolab: Inheritance - Mastering Rhetoric Radiolab: Inheritance Posted on February 26, 2013 by wlin4 So I listened to Radiolab's story on "Inheritance" which talks about genetics. DESTINY HARRIS: Are you going to kick it? I just didnt think. SAM KEAN: If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. That doesn't matter. It is hosted by Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser. They have six, seven, eight, ten, fourteen.]. Are you nine? The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. And she's a complete nut. ROBERT: Because there is more data, more information about the people of verkalix, going farther back into the past than you can find almost anywhere else on Earth. Wow. Because you begin with a mother's lick that ends up with a deep, deep change in the baby, not just the good, warm, fuzzy feeling, but a fundamental shift in who that baby is, and who that baby will be. ROBERT: That's Sam Kean again. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? Sincerely, Jennifer.". ROBERT: But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. I had a little basketball for her. That you're just renaming it. You can't change your DNA. PAT: Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. Olov told us, take heart disease. Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. Its something I still think about all the time. Is that too old?" You picked him up right from the hospital? We ended up talking to the guy who did the work. ROBERT: Remind me this. She and I snuck away from the children into her office. Sincerely, Jennifer.". SAM KEAN: And the key point is that it wasnt something inborn in them. By all accounts a pretty good-looking guy. ROBERT: Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. So they can grab onto the female and hold tight while they're mating. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. PAT: And even though they look basically nothing alike. Brain disease. But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Why? BARBARA HARRIS: This is 750 and this is 200. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: You know what they're going to go do with that money. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? Knock it right off the DNA. So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. To learn more about higher level giving opportunities please contact the Development Office at giving@nypublicradio.org or (646) 829-4130. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. JAD: Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. PAT: And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. ROBERT: Rewrite their their blueprint? Radiolab is on YouTube! JAD: The sneaky idea here is that the blacksmiths, the giraffes, they made it happen. JAD: Well think about what makes proteins. That was it. Find ratings and reviews for the newest movie and TV shows. I just saw them as child abusers. Inheritance Radiolab Podcast Genetics Homework Assignment Homework assignment on the Radiolab podcast 'Inheritance', developed for a college-level cell biology class. JAD: Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. ROBERT: Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. PAT: Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Who, together, pledged more than $150,000 to her program.]. I wonder how much you believe in it. What does that mean, he was an idiot? I want her to be able to look back on her life one day, maybe when she's getting interviewed, I don't know, and be able to say that, "Yes, my mom was there for me 100% without a doubt." Yes, but creating an assumption that there is a class of people who don't deserve to procreate, who aren't worthy of procreating the human race, leads you down a path that we should have great concern about. So, the thought is, when those little boys in verkalix were really, really hungry, their hunger started a chemical process that reached all the way down to the DNA inside the boy's sperm. I agree with Lynn, that this program does perpetuate a stereotype. And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. What does it look like? 2K views almost 2 years ago 48:23 Love it or hate it, the freedom to say obnoxious and subversive things is the quintessence of what makes America America. That's really impressive. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. Radiolab is on YouTube! More of this particular protein. He thought that you could kind of engineer societies by changing the environment. Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. Yeah, the social worker called and told me the mother had given birth. PAT: A year later, she gets another call. I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. But the story he told us begins around 25 years ago. Why would that happen? I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. You know? He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. LULU: In a very real way, we've been thinking a lot about inheritance. Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? I went to the hospital and picked him up. It takes a while. Yeah, there you go. And since Kammerer kept the heat up, toads basically had to stay there, in this watery place that they had not evolved for. At the Vivarium, as the name suggests, they have live animals. They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. Completely answer all questions in Section I AND Section IV. Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. Maybe more. ROBERT: Or how much humidity it preferred. JAD: Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. And the incredible thing is, those marks stick around. BARBARA HARRIS: Sounds bizarre, but it's a solution. So yeah, she keeps me busy. She is nine. CARL ZIMMER: He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. Or is it? Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. It goes back to the 1800s. And there were from the beginning. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. ROBERT: So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. [chuckles]. The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. It would be wrong to think that they represent all women who use drugs while they're pregnant. JAD: I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. His example with humans was a blacksmith. The show in in the radiolab eye sky transcript of was interested in his life In And bring the eye Amount of long-distance Runners and they had a Radiolab podcast about it and they. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: What's the worst thing you have been called by one of your critics? I didn't see them as people. We need to oblige the constraints of WNYC copyright arrangements and apologise for any inconveniences caused. CARL ZIMMER: They'd spend more time in the water. Saying the mother had given birth to a baby girl, did we want her? She filled out the forms went BARBARA HARRIS: Through all the training that we had to do and first aid, fingerprinted and had a background check done. Not only that. I know! In any case, what they saw at the end of all this counting wasWell, first of all, what they saw was this pattern that rat pups who got licked a lot as babies, when they grew up, they licked their babies a lot and the rat pups who didn't get licked a lot, when they grew up, they didn't lick their babies. Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". The cheapest estimate is the work that needs to be done in 14 days. I could have turned out like some of the other kids. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. JAD: So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. It was something they acquired during their lifetime. That doesn't matter. Researchers have found evidence of structural. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I didn't say I'm God. SAM KEAN: But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. 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