When no one else had any left. Or in the General Assembly. No further recommendation about the products will be made. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. Customer service beyond any reproach. Now they will pay the price. So I went on a buying spree. Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Springfield is DEAD to me. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. No wonder were in trouble, POTG are clueless. Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. Didnt you read this article? If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. He supported this legislation, (by not opposing it) that LIMITS CIVILIANS TO 9 FIREARM TRANSFERS PER YEAR!!!! The company is based in Genesco Illinois, near Chicago. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. Henry and Ruger for the win. Rock River Arms RRAGE Carbine LAR-15 with ATN Day/Night scope. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. The company was founded in 1996 by brothers Mark and Lynne Zanders. That alone is enough to put them out of business. The RBG-1S is available in .308 Win./7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor, with a 20-, 22- or 24-inch barrel, and a black, green or tan stock. Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. they should have fought not laid over. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. I used to have a TRP. Did you expect anything less than shady from the Illinois legislature? I hear you on that Ruger. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. So, S and W are also dead to me. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? I read somewhere that there is a city named Springfield in almost every state in the Union. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Screw them. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. I had the EMP4 Contour and a TRP on my 2017 list. For a while there, post SAFE-ACT passage, it looked like 10-round (I know, right) mags were going to be outlawed. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. After his passing, a new leadership took over the company with many positive results. If you do a little digging, you will find they were importing 1911s from Brazil in the early days too. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. Its sad but it happens. Theyre both stuck now. Glad I happened upon this article. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! I live in Illinois. Thats bad, dont get me wrong. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. Neither excuse is a proper justification. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. Please, spend your money where you want. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Its not just selling, genius. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. Springfield isnt doing anything that the vast majority of companies do, protecting their bottom line. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. For folks like me, it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die for these rights, but to be willing to kill for them as well. Most dont buy a gun thinking about selling it down the road, bit it happens. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. This says a lot about the people running the company. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability How is he still employed? By the time most of them have and Springfield Arms starts looking for a new home, they wont be welcome there. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. Last Updated. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. Post interesting results everywhere. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. All businesses are licensed at the state level. Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. Send a signal to IL Senators and the Governor that supporting the bill is politically a trainwreck. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. I have family that works in the town. RRA should be punished too. Bonus was it was stainless frame and made in the USA. RRA IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN MAKE A RELIABLE AR-10. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. No more. No Springfield guns for me. Some times they have deals. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. thats what Illinois is hoping for stand our ground, Springfield got me right in my Grip Zone with this move, bu-bye SA. Asit should. What part of their history am I missing Gov? The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. Is there a list somewhere? Rock River Arms has If these dam gun man. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Glad to see TTAG not shy away from it. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. What opinion? Thats bad math and bad leadership. You are both dead to me now. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. Im not ordering anything Springfield. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. ! mantra. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. Make it a campaign issue NOW. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. Most places, its still over $1500. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. They must be put out of business for their treachery. Until we destroy that party America will continue to be destroyed from within. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. Its transfers. You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. Rock River Arms had one seat. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. I have LOUDLY mentioned their treachery on the dozens of FB groups I belong to. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. Lots of work. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces, Quote of the Day: The Johnny Appleseed of Ghost Guns, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, State, Federal Lawmakers Trying to Put the Brakes On Credit Card Companies Tracking Firearm Purchases, Chicagos Failed Mayor Lori Lightfoot Loses in Reelection EffortBadly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history, http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. AND started planning to move out of the state. my first AR was a rock river arms rrage. The company SHOULD be boycotted even if they shuffle management. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. This Rock River PCC shows itself to be a well-engineered carbine ready to work (and look good doing it). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You cannot exempt large businesses from onerous regulations that you impose on small businesses. Compare. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. Not a nice odor. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. And theyre telling their friends. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. You write as though weve been asleep. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. The rifle comes fully loaded with a Rock River two-stage cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? Simply offering ideas and encouragement. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? Tell us more about your experience in running a business. That should be true. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. Maybe then you can explain it to the pussy who wrote this article. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. Except they are both under different ownership today. That was just a small part of the problem. I dont buy imported guns so SA & RRA are not going to loose any sales because of me. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. 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